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Jim talks with Daniel Mezick on the theme of games and their relationship to governance. They discuss Jane McGonigal’s four properties of games, the nature of authority, position-based vs role-based authority, formal vs. informal authority structures, finite & infinite games, mutable games, the paradox of self-amendment, the U.S. Constitution as a game, progress tracking in governance systems, roles, artifacts, rules, events, Constitutional reforms, problems with a two-party system, unintended consequences in rule design, game theory & system design, gaming virtue, and much more.

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• JRS EP151: Daniel Mezick on Ritual and Hierarchy
• JRS EP219: Katherine Gehl on Breaking Partisan Gridlock
• Reality is Broken: Why Games Make Us Better and How They Can Change the World, by Jane McGonigal
• Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior, by Christopher Boehm
• Tribal Leadership: Leveraging Natural Groups to Build a Thriving Organization, by Dave Logan
• “The Tyranny of Structurelessness,” by Jo Freeman
• Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility, by James Carse
• “The Paradox of Self-Amendment,” by Peter Suber
• “Designing the Future,” by Jay Forrester
• Homo Ludens: A Study of the Play Element in Culture, by Johan Huizinga

Coaching executives and teams in Agile since 2006, Daniel Mezick leads Improving Agility. Daniel has guided dozens of organizations in the art and science of Agile improvement. An author and co-author of three books on organization change, Daniel is a frequent keynote speaker at industry conferences and events. He is the originator of OpenSpace Agility, an engagement model for enabling authentic and lasting organizational improvement. He is also an Advisory Board member and co-Founder of The Open Leadership Network, a certification body and community of practice dedicated to implementing Open patterns and practices inside business enterprises worldwide.

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• JRS EP 289 – Adam Levine on AI-Powered Programming for Non-Developers

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Jim talks with Ryan Blosser about the ideas in his book Mulberries in the Rain: Growing Permaculture Plants for Food and Friendship, co-authored with Trevor Piersol. They discuss the motivation behind writing a permaculture book, the human sector in permaculture design, financial challenges of permaculture farming, 8 forms of capital, food forest design principles, plant guild functions & relationships, persimmons, hunting stories, willows, redbuds, bourbon, black locust properties, rhubarb as a barrier plant, spring bulbs, garlic, Hawaiian adventures, the benefits of tulsi, growing cannabis, uses of comfrey, beets for deer plots, burdock as medicine, community, climate considerations, water management, soil fertility, aesthetics in design, and much more.

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• Mulberries in the Rain: Growing Permaculture Plants for Food and Friendship, by Ryan Blosser and Trevor Pearsall
• Jitterbug Perfume, by Tom Robbins

Ryan Blosser is a farmer, educator, permaculture designer, writer, and mental health professional. He is co-founder of the Shenandoah Permaculture Institute and owner/operator of Dancing Star Farm. In addition, he holds a teaching license in the State of Virginia and earned an MA and Ed.S. in clinical mental health counseling from James Madison University. Ryan served as Executive Director of Project GROWS, an educational non-profit farm dedicated to growing healthy communities. He also taught permaculture design and gardening in Staunton Public Schools before accepting a position with Waynesboro School, where he directs the continued development of the Waynesboro Education Farm. The intersection of his twin passions for growing food and helping people fuels his unique perspective on building community health and resilience through permaculture design. Ryan lives in Churchville, VA.

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Jim talks with Sara Walker about the ideas in her new book Life as No One Knows It: The Physics of Life’s Emergence. They discuss Sara’s path from theoretical physics to astrobiology, the biggest scientific questions, philosophy of science & theory development, historical approaches to origin of life research, Schrödinger’s negative entropy concept, Prigogine’s dissipative systems, information as a causal force at life’s origin, emergence as a scientific concept, constructor theory of information, Assembly Theory as a framework for detecting life, assembly index & copy number as measurable properties, complexity vs randomness, the physical nature of time in complex systems, how Assembly Theory redefines life beyond Earth-centric definitions, planetary-scale perspectives on life’s origins, measurements of exoplanet atmospheres, addressing the error catastrophe problem, Sara’s collaboration with Lee Cronin, the application of Assembly Theory to minerals & planetary atmospheres, the Fermi Paradox & observational horizons, constraints on Drake equation parameters, and much more.

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• Life as No One Knows It: The Physics of Life’s Emergence, by Sara Walker
• JRS Currents 100 – Sarah Walker and Lee Cronin on Time as an Object
• The Emergence of Everything: How the World Became Complex, by Harold Morowitz
• The Origins of Order: Self-Organization and Selection in Evolution, by Stuart Kauffman

Sara Walker is a theoretical physicist interested in the origins of life and discovering alien life on other worlds. She is Deputy Director of the Beyond Center for Fundamental Concepts in Science, a Professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University and an External Faculty at the Santa Fe Institute. Her recognition as a leading scientist includes a Stanley Miller Early Career award, and a Schmidt Sciences Polymath award. Her research team at ASU is internationally regarded for their work at the forefront of building fundamental, and testable theory for understanding what life is. She is also widely regarded for her public intellectual work advancing our understanding of life, which includes her popular science book Life as No One Knows It: The Physics of Life’s Emergence and appearances on podcasts such as Star Talk with Neil de Grasse Tyson, the Joe Rogan Experience, and the Lex Fridman podcast.

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Jim talks with Ashley Hodgson about her YouTube series “The New Enlightenment” and its heterodox perspectives on economics and social systems. They discuss Iain McGilchrist’s influence & his book “The Matter with Things,” economic mythology & its role in upholding the current system, the Bernays era of programmed consumerism, GDP growth myths, destructive growth value, problems with GDP, resource extraction vs other forms of growth, Galbraith’s economics, corporate accountability structures, distortions in the information environment, changes in management compensation, the consumer sovereignty myth, the role of the technostructure, manufactured desires vs actual needs, behavioral economics & rationality, problems with “debunking” mindset, the meta-crisis, sense-making challenges, voice & exit rights, coherent pluralism, the “creepy utopia” problem, and much more.

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• The New Enlightenment (YouTube channel)
• The Matter with Things, by Iain McGilchrist
• JRS EP 154 – Iain McGilchrist on The Matter with Things
• The Economics of Innocent Fraud, by John Kenneth Galbraith
• The New Industrial State, by John Kenneth Galbraith
• Debt: The First 5,000 Years, by David Graeber
• The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power, by Shoshana Zuboff

Ashley Hodgson is an economics professor and a YouTuber. Her teaching history includes behavioral economics, health care economics, digital industries, blockchain economics, public health, ageing, and game theory, among other courses. She enjoys co-teaching as a way of fostering interdisciplinary dialogues and has co-taught courses with faculty in anthropology, psychology, statistics, and biology. Hodgson’s YouTube channel, The New Enlightenment, looks at paradigm shifts in economics, governance and knowledge systems, and parallels her own research and book writing.

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Jim talks with John Robb about the ideas in his recent essay “Blitzing DC,” about how a networked organization took over Washington. They discuss the early roots of network warfare in Iraq, McLuhan-esque societal rewiring, open source dynamics & plausible promise, the Arab Spring & Occupy movements, empathy triggers, Trump’s 2016 campaign as a hybrid swarm, The_Donald as a meme amplifier, the Blue Network’s counter-response, the George Floyd protests & moral framework, censorship & ‘the long night’, digital rights & moderation, the Ukraine conflict & swarm response, the Red Network reconfiguration, digital ledgers & truth-seeking accounts, the professionalization of Red digital warriors, network decision-making at a societal level, the government contracting corruption, defense procurement issues, the D.C. area wealth concentration, the future of network organizations, and much more.

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• Global Guerrillas (Substack)
• JRS EP 254 – John Robb on What Went Wrong with America
• “Blitzing DC,” by John Robb
• “The Open-Source War,” by John Robb (New York Times)
• “Musk and Moderation,” by Jim Rutt (Quillette)

John Robb is an author, inventor, entrepreneur, technology analyst, astro engineer, and military pilot. He’s started numerous successful technology companies, including one in the financial sector that sold for $295 million and one that pioneered the software we currently see in use at Facebook and Twitter. John’s insight on technology and governance has appeared on the BBC, Fox News, National Public Radio, CNBC, The Economist, the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and BusinessWeek. John served as a pilot in a tier-one counter-terrorism unit that worked alongside Delta and Seal Team 6. He wrote the book Brave New War on the future of national security, and has advised the Joint Chiefs of Staff, NSA, DoD, CIA, and the House Armed Services Committee.

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Jim talks with Timothy Clancy about wicked mess problems & the potential for a new Cold War centered on AI. They discuss the evolution from chat-based to reasoning AI, military applications, social & systemic complexity in national security, the scaling hypothesis, China vs US competition, DeepSeek R1 model implications, export controls on GPU chips, Taiwan’s strategic importance, multipolar trap & arms race dynamics, power & chip requirements, training vs implementation costs, context scaling in reasoning AI, innovation in AI efficiency, models & simulations in military planning, validation challenges, statistical distributions vs single predictions, Taiwan conflict scenarios & deterrence strategies, operational causality, the strategic importance of the Straits of Malacca, and much more.

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• “Applying AI to Strategic Warning,” by Anna Knack, Nandita Balakrishnan, and Timothy Clancy
• JRS EP57 – Timothy Clancy on Russia’s Mid-Game
• JRS EP248 – Timothy Clancy on the Israel-Hamas War
• “MegaMullet: The DeepSeek Moment – The Start of an AI Cold War,” by Timothy Clancy

Timothy Clancy is an Assistant Research Scientist at START specializing in studying wicked mess problems, including violence and instability, as complex systems. For over 30 years Timothy has helped stakeholders in all manner of organizations understand their wicked mess problems and work towards resolving them. This included prior work at IBM where he was the Chief Methodologist of Lean, Six Sigma, and Agile supporting Fortune 50, government, and military clients to navigate their own wicked messes in strategy, business models, and enterprise transformation.

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• Jim’s initial Facebook post
• JRS EP268 – Brendan Graham Dempsey on the Evolution of Meaning
• The Evolution of Meaning: A Universal Learning Process, by Brendan Graham Dempsey
• JRS EP157 – Terrence Deacon on Mind’s Emergence from Matter
• Cosmic Evolution: The Rise of Complexity in Nature, by Eric Chaisson
• The Mind Is Flat, by Nick Chater
• “The Last Question,” by Isaac Asimov

Brendan Graham Dempsey is a writer, researcher, organic farmer, and the director of Sky Meadow Institute, an organization dedicated to “promoting systems-based thinking about the things that matter most.” He graduated summa cum laude with a BA in religious studies and classical civilizations from the University of Vermont and earned his master’s from Yale University, where he studied religion and culture. He is the author of Metamodernism: Or, The Cultural Logic of Cultural Logics and host of the Metamodern Spirituality Podcast. His primary interests include theorizing developments in culture after postmodernism, productively bridging the divide between science and spirituality, and developing sustainable systems for life to flourish. All of these lead through the paradigms of emergence and complexity, which inform all of his work.